Ok..I have what I feel is the best response to your questions I can deliver..I have sought wise counsel from fellow believers, I have used biblical documentation, video messages to help drive some points home and illustrate others, all the while being extremely careful in handling God's word. I will do my best to follow the same order in addressing each question you posed to me and try not to allow my personal flesh to muddy the water. I am human and also have a sinful nature just like you and because of that I want to trump all that is about to follow with this comment. Everything you are told from me or anyone else, everything that you read or hear MUST be filtered thru the WORD OF GOD. If you cant square it up with Scripture, then you must question the authenticity of the material..
You asked"Is is a Christians job to prevent others from having their own free will and committing their own sins? Or is it a Christians job to make them aware of what they are doing? "We are called to be fruit inspectors..fruit being the works of those who claim Christianity. We are NOT to judge the salvation of others..That is God's role and His role only but we as Christians are called to judge others by their fruit..Can you see outward evidence of their changed life and if not, then we must proclaim the gospel to them to save them from the wrath of God..The video “examine yourself” in my latest blog speaks to this issue as well.. We cant make anyone do anything, but we have an obligation to share Christ with others and whenever possible make disciples of them. We will all one day stand before a HOLY RIGHTEOUS GOD and will give account and that should bring about a fear and trembling for not only ourselves but for others..We have the cure for this sin and the separation from God and that is Faith in Jesus Christ.
You speak of “three forms of God” and which one to be like..I must say your language is skirting a loose interpretation of the Godhead. This is a difficult and challenging concept but one you must desperately seek to comprehend however there will be some faith involved in this because our minds cant bust thru an area we have never known.. I would direct you to this link to gain a better understanding of the Godhead (Trinity). Trinity . Now with that being said, Jesus came to earth to be the perfect sacrifice and to fulfill the law which humankind never could..and in his Sinless life, He satisfied the law and was a sacrifice acceptable to God and therefore paid the debt for us. So when the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, He is the example we are to emulate because He was the one who did what we could not..but do not get to confused with God the Father and the Holy Spirit because they are all coequal, coeternal and copowerful.
You said “ although he warned them of their sins He did not interfere with their decisions, nor did he punish them or stop caring about them, he left that up the Father..” Ok..This is a mouthful and needs some attention..Father and Jesus are One God...not different beings..lets make sure we are talking about the same thing. The old testament is full of God striking people down for not obeying the Law and you must understand that. The bible has to be taken in the full counsel and not as separate books with all separate meanings..The Bible is a wonderful piece of literature that tells a beautiful story of Sin, wrath due that sin and the redemption of that sin. You must remember the role of Jesus and His time on Earth..He came to save, not to condemn but that does not mean Sin is acceptable. John 3:17. We are to be “salt and Light” among the world, “light bearers” in this world..We are to be Christ like in our world so as not to be a stumbling block for others, lest they turn away from the faith. Also if you read Romans 1:18-33
God's Wrath on Unrighteousness 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
You said “try and emulate the human form of God” - 1 Timothy 4:1-16 1 Timothy 4:1-16 and 1 Peter 2:1 1 Peter 2:1are excellent versus to answer this.. We are to train ourselves much like we would in the gym..Our Spiritual muscles need exercising just like our spiritual muscles..but we have the power of the Holy Spirit to live a life of godliness..
you said “try to get the sinners to accept God” and “we are just suppose to get sinners to believe there is a God and that He will forgive them” - Melissa this is not our role. God is the one and only one who can change people...not us. We must simply proclaim the gospel and then allow God to move. We have no responsibility in bringing someone to the faith. Some plant, some water and some sow, but we are not privy that role in our dealings with people..God will use His Children however he sees fit..but I got the sense that your statement “ regardless of the fact that they may keep sinning” I will would again refer you to the video “examine yourself” on how God feels about continuing in Sin and also this video about hatred of sin.
God Loves therefore He Hates<~~~God Loves therefore He Hates
God Loves therefore He Hates<~~~God Loves therefore He Hates
You said “by showing them love, acceptance and giving them a sense of belonging” - Christianity is not all about love and belonging..That is prosperity Gospel. This is about Heaven or Hell, Eternity is at Stake...not just your feelings..PLEASE PLEASE I beg of you to grab hold of what is at stake..If your child was about to step in front of a car would you just try to whisper softly and say, Son please move..or would you just say if he is happy and feels like he belongs when playing right there, you would let him be..NO!!!! You would Yell “ GET OUT OF THE WAY SON” and you would do everything you could to save Him..This is not a matter of happiness and belonging but rather a matter of life and death and urgency is paramount when dealing with folks because life is but a vapor. Francis Chan writes in his book “Crazy Love” that our time on earth is like a 2/5's of as second role in a motion picture to which comes and goes in an instant. This is God's movie and we have a limited amount of time to make a difference for Him..DONT WASTE IT..I would recommend a great book by John Piper called “Dont waste your life”..
You said “you catch more flies with Honey” - That is itchy ears theology and not heart piercing true authentic gospel. The power of Gods Word should never be diminished to a feel good message...It is is not about making one feel good so I can get more in the fold.. John Piper<~~John Piper
Your quote “ acts of sin are due to people not having love, acceptance and sense of belonging” - No my sister it is NOT AT ALL ABOUT THAT..!! It is about humans suffering from a dreadful disease called Sin and a SIN NATURE that is in every way against GOD..and our desperate need of a SAVIOR. We are born sinful not Good and the bible says no one, not one is good.. That is our problem and no amount of loving someone ,accepting someone or helping one to belong will solve that problem..It is CHRIST JESUS alone that can solve this sinful nature of ours and nothing else..Nothing else !!
“didnt Jesus involve Himself with Sinners” - Yes but he is Jesus, we are not. We are susceptible to Sin and temptation and if given the opportunity will fall into sin. 1 Corinthians 5:9-10 1 Corinthians 5:9-10
we need to be careful about not sitting in the seat of the scoffers and standing in the path of sinners. It is like a recovering alcoholic spending their evenings in a bar with alcohol..That does not make sense does it..Neither does a Christians hanging out with sinners..As a Christian we must Hate sin..not associate with it..It must be to us like a dreadful plague that is very contagious. That is why the bible asks us to belong to a fellowship of believers and edify one another, lest we fall
“we humans place moral rankings on sin” - yes likely so however that is because we live in a fallen world and as humans are always looking for a God that conforms to our lifestyle than the God of the Bible. The Word of God is our Standard, not what people may say is right or wrong..God hates ALL SIN, even the little white lies and has the authority to judge that sin however He desires..and that is not up to us..Does it make sense God would judge a little white lie as harshly as a murderer? No not to us but to God He gets to define the punishment not us.. Our society is constantly trying to find ways to make sin acceptable because they do not want to believe they are sinning and so if the government or populous says it isn't, then we feel vindicated..but we must answer to a higher authority than that of this world..
Also you keep mentioning how "confused": you are – The Holy Spirit will illuminate for you the Word of God but apart from Him it is foolish to you. You will never understand the things of God until you become a child of His and then it will begin to make sense..If you are not a Christian then you live in a dark room and there is no light..One you have a relationship with Christ, then the light comes on and you can now see what was once before unknown to you due to the darkness and lack of light..You can read the text and know God is real, but even the devil knows He exists..Intellectual understanding is just information and will never result in transformation..It is not until that information moves from the mind to the heart and your are converted by God Himself that you will be a new creation and a thirst for His word will swell up inside you and intimacy with Him will be your life's most precious gift.
“Civil obedience” - Romans 13:1-7 Romans 13:1-7speaks of this submission to authority but you only have this partly correct..I am including here a commentary on these versus tom help you clear this matter up
Asbury Bible Commentary
3. Christian civil duties (13:1-10)
In 12:19-21 Paul advises not to take revenge but to leave matters with God, who will avenge. He does it through government. The rulers are God's servants to execute judgment (vv. 4, 6). The government is established by God for the good of all. Therefore Christians should support it with taxes and submission.
Here Paul speaks in terms of the normative, assuming that the government is fulfilling the duty assigned by God (Morris, Romans, 459-61). He does not specifically deal with abnormal conditions, such as when the government usurps the absolute authority of God. However, if Paul's directive is carefully observed, his intent is clear. Paul exhorts submission (hupotassō), not absolute obedience. In Eph 5:21 Paul calls for Christians to submit (hupotassō) to one another. Constantly taking the lowly place over against one another is possible, but obeying one another constantly is not. Therefore, if the government no longer serves God and does what is contrary to God's will, we should, like the apostles in Ac 4:19, follow God rather than blindly obey the government (Bruce, 237).
Vv. 8-10 deal with the issue of justice, though love is mentioned first. Yet here Paul does not mention the positive things love does, only the wrongs love does not do. Paul is not treating love per se, which has been treated already in 12:9-21. Here he is treating the Christian duty of justice. This is evident from v. 8, Let no debt remain outstanding. Paul sees and treats love as the means of fulfilling justice. Since love does no harm to one's neighbor, love fulfills those negative commandments of the law. These commands have to do with justice in the society.
“Does Society have to pay if we are wrong in allowing such a thing” - I would refer you to Genesis 18:22-33 to help answer this..My answer is a resounding Yes..That is exactly what happened in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Abraham Intercedes for Sodom
22 So the men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23 Then Abraham drew near and said, “Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city. Will you then sweep away the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous who are in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing, to put the righteous to death with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?” 26 And the Lord said, “If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”
27 Abraham answered and said, “Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes. 28 Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking. Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?” And he said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” 29 Again he spoke to him and said, “Suppose forty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of forty I will not do it.” 30 Then he said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak. Suppose thirty are found there.” He answered, “I will not do it, if I find thirty there.” 31 He said, “Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it.” 32 Then he said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.” 33 And the Lord went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place.
Ok now addressing your final question - “when does a Christian throw their hands up and if I become a Christian do I walk away from all those people” - First of all Melissa hear me in love when I say this..but you do not get to choose to become a Christian.. It is not like a vending machine and you get to decide whether or not Christ is for you or not..God is not standing on the sidelines saying “Pick Me, Oh please Pick Me”. You are obviously being worked on By God by asking the very questions that you have but until God in an instant Converts you, you can only do what you are doing. The Spirit is moving in your life and you must decide to respond or not..however this is only due to the very idea that God is moving in you and you can decide to stiff arm Him, reject Him but ultimately it is God who will choose you not you choosing Him..I wrote a Blog about this very issue some few years ago..
God is Not a Vending Machine<~~~~ My old Blog
God is Not a Vending Machine<~~~~ My old Blog
Also you must understand once you are in Christ you are HIS and no longer this worlds. You are to live for Him, Abide in Him and that may cost you relationships – There is most definitely a Cost to following Christ.
Count the Cost<~~ what will it cost you..? Watch this..
This is not about Religion but rather following Hard after Christ. Not about denominations, or interpretations.. This is about life and death and the church has performed poorly in this area.. I would just say this..Seek Jesus Christ and He will make Himself known to you. Knock and you will find. DO NOT get caught up in doctrine..Get caught up in Jesus Christ and find yourself a church where the Bible is preached...Where the Gospel is proclaimed..Not a church that seeks to make you feel comfortable..but one that seeks to save your soul from the wrath of God due us.. Your life is at a crossroads and it seems to me that God is knocking...the question is..WILL YOU LET HIM IN..This life is short and time is fleeting..I beg you not to wait, but with URGENCY, seek out Jesus Christ and Accept Him into your life and if and when you do, your life will be radically different..It will no longer be a better version of you but a NEW YOU..a NEW CREATION..The Old self will be done away with and newness of life will be your mark. You will find the answers you are looking for when the Power of the Spirit descends upon you and what was once unclear, suddenly will become clear..Then the rest of your life, God will begin to Sanctify you and make you more and more like Him. Your life will be consumed with what matters to Him and Glorifying Him and the things of this world will no longer matter. You will have True knowledge and that knowledge is not meant to be bottled up but rather to be poured out on any and everyone you encounter.
God Bless You and I will Pray that God will radically Transform your Life for His Glory.. I Pray that your remainder of Life will be spent introducing people to Jesus and then when you are called home, that Jesus will introduce you to the Father..